I think I'm done with this show, and can pretty safely pass on anything Dave Filoni has had a hand in from this point onwards.
After Andor, I was interested to see if lessons had been learned and if they'd adjusted from 'I played with Star Wars toys as a kid' to 'people really liked story, plot, characters, and the lack of incessant callbacks.'
Maybe Ahsoka was already done filming. Maybe Andor didn't do the numbers they wanted, despite the critical and fan aclaim. But I didn't watch the Star Wars cartoons because they were on a children's channel, and if this is any measure of how deep and 'adult' their fans keep telling me they are, I'm not going to.
It is really hard to care about a story that's had a MacGuffin to build a MacGuffin to find a MacGuffin who I don't know or care about. Ezra Bridger is the main character of a show I haven't seen, and this just seems like a sequel - even the dialogue sounds like a children's show or a generic YA novel. Every time they use Thrawn's name, it's annoying. Disney executives can claim until they're blue in the face (hehe) that the Expanded Universe wasn't canon, and shows like this are, but fuck that.
I'm exhausted from 'how about ANOTHER Jedi survived Order 66?', or 'this character is a MANDALORIAN!', or 'this episode is going to use a washed-out colour palette and look like garbage because that's all our amazing LED-projection background can manage'. It is frustrating to think of what could have been if they didn't so readily hand off the keys to the kingdom to people of such shallow imaagination, interests, and (in this case) experience. But at least they've made Star Wars well and truly lose its special factor now, and it's just some other brand. Makes it much easier to just stop watching.
I'm annoyed that I gave it four episodes instead of realising by the pilot what it'd be, but, not for me. Judging by the numbers and reviews, not for people who didn't grow up at a very specific time with a Disney XD subscription.
New season of Star Trek Lower Decks comes out this week, so I'm setting my phasers to fun and gonna enjoy some well-written, mid-budget, character-driven stories that also happen to be - ironically - animated. I guess the lesson for me here is you don't necessarily have to spend tens of millions of dollars per episode to have narrative impact, make a good return on your investment, tell a good story, and find success with an audience.
World Between Worlds isn’t my favorite thing, but I’m excited to see where they go from here. I’m mostly just hoping for fast travel to Ezra for Ashoka, though I’m about 5% invested in Ashoka at the moment and 95% in on Sabine’s story. I kind of hope that force ghosts are just more corporeal in the WBW and this isn’t a time travel thing.
I’ve seen random episodes of Clone Wars, but watched all of Rebels and all the new live stuff except Andor. I don’t mind Ashoka being a little more niche, but I bet that’s hurting the numbers.
Also, like u/fastpicket said, I’m jazzed for Lower Decks and already watched the first one!
I enjoy watching this show, even though each episode seems to have at least one terrible line (ep 4's was Jacen's "I've got a bad feeling" - Rogue One showed how to reference these phrases, without it sticking out like a sore thumb, and that was in 2016).
This episode was one where the bad guys had to get a win for the plot to more forward, but I still found it thrilling - some decent fights, a reveal about Marrok that would've disrupted some fan theories about his identity, and a pre-hyperspace-jump destruction of opposition ships that didn't seem as questionable as when they did it in The Last Jedi.
I've never watched Clone Wars or Rebels, so it's only when the camera lingers for a bit longer than it should on something that I realise I'm missing some background info. Maybe I'd enjoy it more if I'd seen those shows, but as it is, I maybe get the extra enjoyment from seeing Ray Stevenson as Baylon that someone who never saw Rome isn't getting.
We'll see how it goes with the introduction of some sort of time travel I guess - other franchises suggest it's something you have to be very careful with: once you use it to solve one problem, the natural question becomes: well, why don't you use it to solve every problem.
I wish I was one of the fans that watched and loved Rebels and Clone Wars - I caught a season of each, and then had a quick look in when Tom Baker (Doctor Who) was voicing a character. It feels like they finished years ago now. I imagine having a new series that is a live action continuation of the Rebels story must be wonderful.
How deep is a deep cut in Star Wars movies and shows? Whatever happened at the end of Rebels (I'm sure I've figured some of the story beats) seems deeply embedded in the framework of this show. Which is to say that, while I'm a huge fan of the movies and the D+ shows, and while I'm enjoying this show, I feel a bit alienated. I'm not sure that this is a series for the average Star Wars fan that may or may not be up to date on a non-Legends version of Thrawn that appeared on an animated Star Wars series a few years. Or maybe the average Star Wars is exactly that, and I'm the outlier...
I think I'm done with this show, and can pretty safely pass on anything Dave Filoni has had a hand in from this point onwards.
After Andor, I was interested to see if lessons had been learned and if they'd adjusted from 'I played with Star Wars toys as a kid' to 'people really liked story, plot, characters, and the lack of incessant callbacks.'
Maybe Ahsoka was already done filming. Maybe Andor didn't do the numbers they wanted, despite the critical and fan aclaim. But I didn't watch the Star Wars cartoons because they were on a children's channel, and if this is any measure of how deep and 'adult' their fans keep telling me they are, I'm not going to.
It is really hard to care about a story that's had a MacGuffin to build a MacGuffin to find a MacGuffin who I don't know or care about. Ezra Bridger is the main character of a show I haven't seen, and this just seems like a sequel - even the dialogue sounds like a children's show or a generic YA novel. Every time they use Thrawn's name, it's annoying. Disney executives can claim until they're blue in the face (hehe) that the Expanded Universe wasn't canon, and shows like this are, but fuck that.
I'm exhausted from 'how about ANOTHER Jedi survived Order 66?', or 'this character is a MANDALORIAN!', or 'this episode is going to use a washed-out colour palette and look like garbage because that's all our amazing LED-projection background can manage'. It is frustrating to think of what could have been if they didn't so readily hand off the keys to the kingdom to people of such shallow imaagination, interests, and (in this case) experience. But at least they've made Star Wars well and truly lose its special factor now, and it's just some other brand. Makes it much easier to just stop watching.
I'm annoyed that I gave it four episodes instead of realising by the pilot what it'd be, but, not for me. Judging by the numbers and reviews, not for people who didn't grow up at a very specific time with a Disney XD subscription.
New season of Star Trek Lower Decks comes out this week, so I'm setting my phasers to fun and gonna enjoy some well-written, mid-budget, character-driven stories that also happen to be - ironically - animated. I guess the lesson for me here is you don't necessarily have to spend tens of millions of dollars per episode to have narrative impact, make a good return on your investment, tell a good story, and find success with an audience.
The lesson for me, anyway. Doesn't seem like Disney is planning to change anything.
World Between Worlds isn’t my favorite thing, but I’m excited to see where they go from here. I’m mostly just hoping for fast travel to Ezra for Ashoka, though I’m about 5% invested in Ashoka at the moment and 95% in on Sabine’s story. I kind of hope that force ghosts are just more corporeal in the WBW and this isn’t a time travel thing.
I’ve seen random episodes of Clone Wars, but watched all of Rebels and all the new live stuff except Andor. I don’t mind Ashoka being a little more niche, but I bet that’s hurting the numbers.
Also, like u/fastpicket said, I’m jazzed for Lower Decks and already watched the first one!
I enjoy watching this show, even though each episode seems to have at least one terrible line (ep 4's was Jacen's "I've got a bad feeling" - Rogue One showed how to reference these phrases, without it sticking out like a sore thumb, and that was in 2016).
This episode was one where the bad guys had to get a win for the plot to more forward, but I still found it thrilling - some decent fights, a reveal about Marrok that would've disrupted some fan theories about his identity, and a pre-hyperspace-jump destruction of opposition ships that didn't seem as questionable as when they did it in The Last Jedi.
I've never watched Clone Wars or Rebels, so it's only when the camera lingers for a bit longer than it should on something that I realise I'm missing some background info. Maybe I'd enjoy it more if I'd seen those shows, but as it is, I maybe get the extra enjoyment from seeing Ray Stevenson as Baylon that someone who never saw Rome isn't getting.
We'll see how it goes with the introduction of some sort of time travel I guess - other franchises suggest it's something you have to be very careful with: once you use it to solve one problem, the natural question becomes: well, why don't you use it to solve every problem.
I wish I was one of the fans that watched and loved Rebels and Clone Wars - I caught a season of each, and then had a quick look in when Tom Baker (Doctor Who) was voicing a character. It feels like they finished years ago now. I imagine having a new series that is a live action continuation of the Rebels story must be wonderful.
How deep is a deep cut in Star Wars movies and shows? Whatever happened at the end of Rebels (I'm sure I've figured some of the story beats) seems deeply embedded in the framework of this show. Which is to say that, while I'm a huge fan of the movies and the D+ shows, and while I'm enjoying this show, I feel a bit alienated. I'm not sure that this is a series for the average Star Wars fan that may or may not be up to date on a non-Legends version of Thrawn that appeared on an animated Star Wars series a few years. Or maybe the average Star Wars is exactly that, and I'm the outlier...