There’s room for both. Topics that don’t fit your interests but are otherwise fine? Privately unsubscribe from the group or filter tags. Specific hobby discussion might fall into this category. Topics that, in your opinion, don’t align with the goals of Tildes or are potentially unhealthy to the community if left unchecked? Publicly, politely, thoughtfully commenting. Memes, cringe, schadenfreude might be considered detrimental if allowed to proliferate without protest, negatively altering the general culture and feel of the community.
In practice, it’s tough. A lot falls in a grey area. Plus everyone’s unique personal biases and goals for the site push how a topic is viewed toward one way or the other.
It's sad that people aren't used to doing this simply because the socmed platforms they use either don't have this feature or bury it under 5 layers of settings.
Though I also think tag blocking should be more discoverable and easier to do, in general, not just on Tildes.
For me this also ties in with people on other platforms that complain about how other sites operate or the culture of said sites.
People on Reddit complain about Lemmy/fediverse or tildes or whatever else is out there and vice versa.
As the old saying goes, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". All these communities have their own vibe.
I see people on Lemmy complain about lack of content. That's like going to a party and complaining that nobody's talking but then refusing to make any conversation yourself.
people want to replace x community with y community and complain when it's not the same. It seems like people want to go all in on one platform and get upset when it doesn't have everything they want out of it.
I'm a millennial and grew up on an internet of countless independent forums of all kinds of topics, personal homepages, web rings, you name it. A lot of those types of things still exist.
If I grew bored of one place, I found another, or drifted back and forth if a few sites together piqued my interest, regardless if the subject matter was shared between them or not. I'd end up finding something and whatever forum community etc. that I passed up kept doing things how they liked to do it.
Incoming users should definitely make use of filtering.
Tags and filters are a lifesaver on Tildes. There are some things that have big fan clubs that kind of drive me up the wall because of how much oxygen they consume. Especially given the default sorting by comment activity. If I couldn't filter them out I would have probably left this community. Filters are also perfect for when you're trying to disengage from a topic when your feelings are getting too strong.
I do have two problems with the filters, though. Number one is that it's really hard to find them; they're stuck behind three clicks.
The other problem is that there's no way to filter out notifications from people who just want to argue with me. :P
You call this summary "disruptive and offtopic", and "grumpy lawyering" to desire a summary. No one was to "take their dissatisfaction to the comments, either criticizing the poster or expressing their annoyance." People just expressed gratitude and you expressed annoyance.
I don’t know which topics you’re thinking of, but yes, ignoring and filtering are good tools. I also think it’s fine to comment in disagreement, if you do it right. Do you leave space for other people to disagree or have a different impression, or are you effectively insisting that any decent person must already agree with you and posting anything to the contrary is bad? Things to be wary of:
If you’re pessimistic about something and assume that writing about an optimistic scenario is being done in bad faith, shilling as part of a grift, or that the author is an ignorant dupe
If you’re optimistic about something and see writing about a pessimistic scenario as creating uncertainty and doubt with ulterior motives, or being ignorantly prejudiced. Or maybe it’s blind skepticism, or doomer thinking.
Thinking about discussions in this way doesn’t leave room for people with intermediate stances, like being curious but wary.
Another way to not leave space is to dismiss discussion by people who are just learning about something you’re more knowledgeable about as old hat, boring, or unsophisticated. It just the basics, something everyone should know already, if they were paying attention. The people discussing those things should already know what you know, so you’re not going to bother to explain.
Some topics are indeed repetitive, but if you’re not going to engage with the ideas being discussed, even to explain why they’re bad, actually, then it’s better to ignore and move on.
By contrast, I did start a topic yesterday where I thought the responses were strongly against, but overall pretty thoughtful. So that seems hopeful? Not sure why it got locked.
For those who are assuming that OP means we should tolerate low quality content, or are wondering what examples may have triggered this post: One obvious example for me is that every time an article is posted about the reddit API/IPO situation (which happens often, but not excessively,) someone inevitably comments saying that they're sick of hearing about reddit and they think people shouldn't post about it anymore. It's completely reasonable for someone to not want to hear about reddit, but it's not reasonable to expect people here not to post about it, since reddit is so closely tied with the history of this site and the types of people who hang out here, plus, tech/social media news is a relevant topic for this site in general. Reddit is clearly a topic that many people here will be interested in hearing about occasionally. Therefore, tag filtering is the perfect solution for people who don't want to hear about it.
Since those comments happen so often, it seems completely reasonable for lou to have posted this as a reminder/refresher. I've personally introduced the tag filtering concept to at least 3-4 of those people who don't want to see reddit content, so this post will probably help a few people in advance so they never need to see or comment on reddit content in the first place.
I do not think OPs intention was to suggest that people should happily post low quality content since it can be filtered, or anything like that. There are plenty of reasonable examples where tag filtering could be used to improve users' experiences, even though the content isn't inherently harmful to the quality of Tildes - including topics involving reddit, Twitter, various weekly casual chats, videos, other random topics/journalists that annoy some people but aren't inherently bad, etc.
I want to filter YouTube and other video links. I'm not on the internet to watch television. Tildes does not have this capacity yet, and I don't believe they will for some time.
I think there was an accidental double-post.
Same topic from a few minutes ago:
https://tildes.net/~tildes/1a5q/dont_complain_filter
Yes, I did again to change the title and forgot to remove the other one. Thanks ;)
I dislike this content. OP is a ghoul and I am annoyed & dissatisfied
There’s room for both. Topics that don’t fit your interests but are otherwise fine? Privately unsubscribe from the group or filter tags. Specific hobby discussion might fall into this category. Topics that, in your opinion, don’t align with the goals of Tildes or are potentially unhealthy to the community if left unchecked? Publicly, politely, thoughtfully commenting. Memes, cringe, schadenfreude might be considered detrimental if allowed to proliferate without protest, negatively altering the general culture and feel of the community.
In practice, it’s tough. A lot falls in a grey area. Plus everyone’s unique personal biases and goals for the site push how a topic is viewed toward one way or the other.
It's sad that people aren't used to doing this simply because the socmed platforms they use either don't have this feature or bury it under 5 layers of settings.
Though I also think tag blocking should be more discoverable and easier to do, in general, not just on Tildes.
Without tags in the RSS feed, filtering is only possible through the web UI.
This is a good thread lou.
Thanks.
:-)
But what about the lurkers!
And members who view when logged out.
And people who practice good browser hygiene wrt cookies.
Some "Persistent" uBlock Origin filters are here ---> https://tildes.net/~tildes/wiki/customizing_tildes#ublock_origin
Maybe they can do the similar filtering as User settings.
This thread can not be upvoted enough.
Too many people on Tildes want to dictate to people what to post and how to write.
For me this also ties in with people on other platforms that complain about how other sites operate or the culture of said sites.
People on Reddit complain about Lemmy/fediverse or tildes or whatever else is out there and vice versa.
As the old saying goes, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". All these communities have their own vibe.
I see people on Lemmy complain about lack of content. That's like going to a party and complaining that nobody's talking but then refusing to make any conversation yourself.
people want to replace x community with y community and complain when it's not the same. It seems like people want to go all in on one platform and get upset when it doesn't have everything they want out of it.
I'm a millennial and grew up on an internet of countless independent forums of all kinds of topics, personal homepages, web rings, you name it. A lot of those types of things still exist.
If I grew bored of one place, I found another, or drifted back and forth if a few sites together piqued my interest, regardless if the subject matter was shared between them or not. I'd end up finding something and whatever forum community etc. that I passed up kept doing things how they liked to do it.
Incoming users should definitely make use of filtering.
I've lashed out at a couple of people lately and promptly felt daft for doing so.
But we really need to get a handle on these threads every week. It's frustrating virtue signalling and backpattingly annoying to see every time.
This is dumb. Everyone ignoring a problem means the problem never gets fixed, and slowly makes the experience worse for newcomers.
On the flip side, please be conscientious about putting tags on your posts so it's easier to filter out if others want to.
As an example: If posting something about worker's rights that's specific to a country, tag it as politics.[country] or just [country]!
Tags and filters are a lifesaver on Tildes. There are some things that have big fan clubs that kind of drive me up the wall because of how much oxygen they consume. Especially given the default sorting by comment activity. If I couldn't filter them out I would have probably left this community. Filters are also perfect for when you're trying to disengage from a topic when your feelings are getting too strong.
I do have two problems with the filters, though. Number one is that it's really hard to find them; they're stuck behind three clicks.
The other problem is that there's no way to filter out notifications from people who just want to argue with me. :P
Wow. I had to do a double take, but it's true—you made this entire thread because someone summarized a video, instead of watching it with extremely scarce context of the very superficial tags: https://tildes.net/~food/1a5i/mrbeast_wants_to_destroy_beast_burger
You call this summary "disruptive and offtopic", and "grumpy lawyering" to desire a summary. No one was to "take their dissatisfaction to the comments, either criticizing the poster or expressing their annoyance." People just expressed gratitude and you expressed annoyance.
You, too, can ignore harmless posts.
I don’t know which topics you’re thinking of, but yes, ignoring and filtering are good tools. I also think it’s fine to comment in disagreement, if you do it right. Do you leave space for other people to disagree or have a different impression, or are you effectively insisting that any decent person must already agree with you and posting anything to the contrary is bad? Things to be wary of:
Thinking about discussions in this way doesn’t leave room for people with intermediate stances, like being curious but wary.
Another way to not leave space is to dismiss discussion by people who are just learning about something you’re more knowledgeable about as old hat, boring, or unsophisticated. It just the basics, something everyone should know already, if they were paying attention. The people discussing those things should already know what you know, so you’re not going to bother to explain.
Some topics are indeed repetitive, but if you’re not going to engage with the ideas being discussed, even to explain why they’re bad, actually, then it’s better to ignore and move on.
By contrast, I did start a topic yesterday where I thought the responses were strongly against, but overall pretty thoughtful. So that seems hopeful? Not sure why it got locked.
For those who are assuming that OP means we should tolerate low quality content, or are wondering what examples may have triggered this post: One obvious example for me is that every time an article is posted about the reddit API/IPO situation (which happens often, but not excessively,) someone inevitably comments saying that they're sick of hearing about reddit and they think people shouldn't post about it anymore. It's completely reasonable for someone to not want to hear about reddit, but it's not reasonable to expect people here not to post about it, since reddit is so closely tied with the history of this site and the types of people who hang out here, plus, tech/social media news is a relevant topic for this site in general. Reddit is clearly a topic that many people here will be interested in hearing about occasionally. Therefore, tag filtering is the perfect solution for people who don't want to hear about it.
Since those comments happen so often, it seems completely reasonable for lou to have posted this as a reminder/refresher. I've personally introduced the tag filtering concept to at least 3-4 of those people who don't want to see reddit content, so this post will probably help a few people in advance so they never need to see or comment on reddit content in the first place.
I do not think OPs intention was to suggest that people should happily post low quality content since it can be filtered, or anything like that. There are plenty of reasonable examples where tag filtering could be used to improve users' experiences, even though the content isn't inherently harmful to the quality of Tildes - including topics involving reddit, Twitter, various weekly casual chats, videos, other random topics/journalists that annoy some people but aren't inherently bad, etc.
I want to filter YouTube and other video links. I'm not on the internet to watch television. Tildes does not have this capacity yet, and I don't believe they will for some time.
You can filter the tag
videos
.